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- From: dave.haynie@scala.com (Dave Haynie)
- Subject: Re: Apple troubles benefit Amiga?
- Sender: news@scala.scala.com (Usenet administrator)
- Message-ID: <1996Jan29.200509.11147@scala.scala.com>
- Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:05:09 GMT
- Reply-To: dave.haynie@scala.com (Dave Haynie)
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- In <4e687l$677@flood.xnet.com>, jcompton@flood.xnet.com (Jason Compton) writes:
-
- >No, much as Newtek wasn't equipped to rescue Commodore, don't look to a
- >third-party to save Apple.
- >
- >(BTW, Sinclair's "The Clones will save the Mac!" was pretty funny)
-
- If Mac cloning had started long enough ago, Apple could reasonably be
- expected to shift gears and concentrate on supplying software and
- high-end-only systems. Much like the PC market, where some companies
- have done a successful high-end business, and of course Microsoft and
- to a lesser extent, others, have been very happy making software
- only.
-
- But I don't think there are enough of a critical mass of Mac cloners
- or cloner wannabes for this to be an option for Apple, right now. If
- Apple dropped out tomorrow, the Mac would die even if the MacOS was
- saved as part of a software-only company. Of course, Apple isn't going
- to drop out tomorrow, but also, they don't have the company model to
- be software-only, or even primarily software. One problem is that
- today's Apple was built on years of the industry's highest margins on
- hardware, and it hasn't adapted quicky enough to the idea of the
- Mac-as-a-commodity system. OS software is not the basis of a company
- that size, either -- it's a foot in the door for all kinds of other
- software, as IBM, Microsoft, Sun, and others have shown.
-
- >Apple has "Commodore" written all over it. Nobody trusts the
- >management, no projects are being completed, and key personnel are
- >leaving to start a new company and do things the right way.
-
- Certainly a small amount of employee dissatisfaction is going to
- happen when a company is in this mode of diminished returns. That
- alone won't necessarily doom a company. But if it's combined with some
- fundamental problems in management, it could hasten the development of
- serious problems that might never have even manifested in times of
- plenty. I think Apple is immune to the serious problems Commodore had,
- simply because they are run as a "real" company, not this shady thing
- lurking in the Carribbean. That doesn't mean they can't follow the
- same path (though I hope they don't), but it's going to take longer
- and require lots of traditionally bad managers and company shakeups.
-
- >Be is the 3DO of the Apple world.
-
- There have been a number of Apple spinoff things in the past, Be is
- hardly unique in that respect.
-
- >I've got no love lost for the Apple platform. It's not my thing. But I
- >firmly believe that the more choice there is for mainstream computer
- >users, the better off computing is in general.
-
- Absolutely. While Apple has been delinquent in their advancement of
- the Mac's low-level OS, they have been driving various advancements in
- the upper layers of the OS. But doing new stuff, rather than just
- cloning it, takes smart people and lots of R&D money. If the money
- goes, the projects go, and so do the people. Apple can't afford that,
- it will cripple in the long term their chance for continued
- existence.
-
- >The Amiga isn't back at the point that it's a viable mainstream
- >choice--because except in Europe, you can't FIND it anywhere.
-
- And the Amiga won't truely be back until the Power Amiga is shipping;
- it's necessary to prove that the Amiga will have life beyond the
- 680x0, and that it will grow to be a competitive choice. When that
- happens, and only when, will you see it grow beyond today's current
- "For Amigaoids Only" existence.
-
- >Apple is the placeholder, and token non-Microsoft choice. They need
- >to at least hold out for the next generations of Amigas and other
- >platforms--if they're successfully brought to the mass market.
-
- Absolutely. The more choice there is in the microcomputer industry,
- the more people will recognize that a choice exists. With the
- increasing dominance of the PClone and Microsoft, this is all the more
- important. Apple is the flagship platform representative of the fact
- there is a choice, and if they go under, it'll make the job all the
- more harder for any other platform to go beyond a niche existence
- against the PClones.
-
- Dave Haynie | ex-Commodore Engineering | for DiskSalv 3 &
- Sr. Systems Engineer | Hardwired Media Company | "The Deathbed Vigil"
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